426 – He’s got a patent on saving lives: Tom interviews Dr. Jeff Hockings

Episode 426 – Dr Jeff Hockings
[00:00:09] Welcome to Screw the Commute. The entrepreneurial podcast dedicated to getting you out of the car and into the money, with your host, lifelong entrepreneur and multimillionaire, Tom Antion.

[00:00:24] Hey everybody it's Tom here with Episode four hundred twenty six of Screw the Commute podcast. I'm here with Dr. Jeff. I mean, this guy and I, we go way back. I mean, we go back. So far we have really good quality, mutual enemies. That's how far we go. So, so. So this guy is a prolific doer. His family's a doer. We had his lovely daughter, Tiffany, on as a special youth edition a while back. You want to make sure you go back and check that out and you'll see why, how how she grew up to be so great with great parents, though. So we'll bring Dr. Jeff on in a minute. I hope he didn't miss Episode 425. Daniel Chan was here. He's the first virtual magician to billionaires. I mean, he was the first magician to massively pivot when shows started canceling because of the pandemic. And he's also planning a fine dining restaurant based around magic, kind of like the Magic Castle, but better food. Okay. And I'll be in Northern California. He's working on that. So that was Episode 425. Any time you want to listen to a back episode chick, screw the computer comment and put the episode number four to five for Daniel and Jeff. You'll want to listen to again also and pass it on. I'm sure you know somebody that may need Jeff services. So write down episode 426 because you'll want to pass this on to them.

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[00:04:38] All right. Let's get to the main event, Dr. J. Murray Hockings, he's Dr. Jeff to me, is the world's number one diabetes reversal doctor. He's a published author with thirty years of experience, but you wouldn't know it by his little baby face. You won't see it here, but you can look him up. He's the CEO, founder of the company Help Your Diabetes with one physical location. But now. Twenty eight virtual locations and a. A world class digital platform and app, and he's given over 400 diabetes presentations in the past 12 years in six countries and has a mission of reversing diabetes in millions of people around the world. He's been married to his gorgeous wife, which I almost broke her ankle one time. But that's another story, another for for twenty nine years. And they have the beautiful twenty six year old Tiffany, which I told you about earlier, and she was on a special youth edition for us, so. And he lives in Dallas, Texas. Dr. Jeff. Are you ready to screw? The commute?

[00:05:46] Baby Dallas boy now, huh? Hey, did you get in that freezing stuff that happened that hit Dallas?

[00:05:54] Yeah, kind of suck we in Turks and Caicos at the time. So really

[00:05:58] Poor. Poor you. Yes.

[00:06:00] Poor daughter had to suffer through it. Yes.

[00:06:03] We're okay. Yeah, that's that's good. So so tell everybody about this stuff and then we'll take you back because you've gone through a progression and you had some really cool stuff to get when you first started being a doctor, you kind of went to the top of the heap right away and made all the other older people man. So. So you've been quite a go getter all these times. But this is something that's life changing. You know, I sell stuff and help people Antion helps their life, but this really helps their life. So tell them what you're doing.

[00:06:34] Yeah. So we have a Type two diabetes reversal program. We started doing it by 13 years ago. And in that time we literally got to the point where, you know, we're the best in the world at doing it Tom and we got our patent issued last year. So now we have the only patented Type two diabetes universal system in the world. We've got a third party study done a few weeks ago. So we got all the evidence in the world now to show that what we do is it works. And as long as people follow it, they can literally within two to six months be off of all their diabetic meds, had their blood sugar be normal and now their diabetes is reversed. So that's what we do. And it's pretty powerful. Now we're just getting tested every day to saving people's lives. Blurred vision going away kidney's improving, high blood pressure going away, neuropathy and tingling in the feet, all going away. Just incredible results. And, yeah, we're just we're just right now, we're reaching out to the entire world because now we have our digital platform so people can join our program online. They don't have to go to a physical location to actually join. So it's really been exciting for us.

[00:07:41] That's that's really crazy. Great. Great. And, you know, and I see these pictures on on line all the time of people's, like, ankle swelling up. It's just scary looking. Is that that one of the symptoms?

[00:07:55] Yeah. Well, again, one of the biggest symptoms, Tom, is neuropathy in the feet because the the blood sugar affects the circulation in the extremities. And if that's not handled, then it keeps deteriorating. You start seeing some discoloration, some gangrene setting in where there's no circulation. It just gets and of course, amputation. So it gets kind of nasty. But again, the cool news is that it's reversible so long as we catch the neuropathy in the feet before the gangrene sets in, all that tingling, numbness, burning pain, cramping, all that stuff can go away.

[00:08:26] So how does a person participate? I mean, it seems like a medical thing here. Don't they have to see somebody in person or is that all changed because of the pandemic or what?

[00:08:36] Yeah, well, everybody that joins our program, Tom, they've already been diagnosed as a type two diabetic by their medical physician, I say. So they're already taking meds. They all they feel like crap. They just hate taking the meds. And so when they join our program, it's almost like a last resort and most people have no idea it's reversible. So when they join, we show them what foods they can eat and not eat, what they can drink and not drink. We provide them with our proprietary nutritional supplements to take and exercise recommendations to do so. When they follow those things, their blood sugar starts coming down and then their primary physicians are able to start gradually weaning them off of their diabetic meds until they're off of all of them. And we provide seven days a week coaching with one of our support doctors, weekly training videos, all the support and handholding. Somebody needs to make sure that they achieve that reversal.

[00:09:27] So it is a collaboration then with their doctor, because, you know, if you if they got really good and then kept taking the regular medicine, that would be bad, right?

[00:09:36] Exactly. Yes. That's why their doctor is always their doctor. So we're not the ones taking them off the meds. We're just coaching them through this lifestyle change. And again, as their sugar starts coming down, their doctor will start gradually weaning them off the medication. So it's pretty cool and that happens.

[00:09:52] How long does it take for somebody to start seeing results on those?

[00:09:56] The results? The first couple of days. Oh, my gosh. Are people taking insulin? Usually people that are on insulin are able to drop their insulin dose by 50 percent within the first 48 hours.

[00:10:06] But that particular doctor or medical doctor.

[00:10:09] Exactly, yeah, so it's it's very difficult to get the doctors. God bless them. Tom, you know this doctors are trained in med school not to diagnose the disease and then treat it with the medication and just don't work. Then the new surgery. That's it. That's the only basically tools in our tool belt is medications and surgery. So they're not trained how to do things wellness, wise and natural. But when they see someone's blood sugar coming down, they have no problems reducing the dosage of the medication. So, yeah. So their doctors are happy with it.

[00:10:38] So what the what kind of foods are helping to cause this?

[00:10:43] Oh, man. It's you know, right now, especially in this Internet age, in the last 20 years, most of us are sitting on our butts 18 hours a day and we're not moving around and running and playing like you and I, they were kids playing sports. You can you can eat all the bad carbs, all the bad food, but you're burning off like ten thousand calories a day. So it's no big deal. But now we're eating the same way. But now we're like sitting on our butts. So that's what's leading to it. It's all the bad carbs or the pastas, the breads, the rice, potato chips, crackers, all that stuff. And then it gets dairy products, very bad spikes in blood sugar, caffeine spikes, blood sugar, obviously all the sodas and sugars and all the fast food. So it's just a combination of a bunch of things that people do for 30, 40, 50 years and their body just can't handle taking in all of that sugar. And so that's when their body can't process and they become a diabetic. So but again, all that's bad news. But the great news is it's one hundred percent reversible.

[00:11:40] So if you catch it by a certain point, it's 100 percent reversible. You're saying,

[00:11:45] No, that's the neuropathy in the feet at a certain point. But Type two diabetes itself, that's one hundred percent reversible. Doesn't matter if you've been a diabetic for thirty five years or thirty five days, it's completely reversible when you follow the right system.

[00:11:59] Well, a lot of these people have spent years and years. I mean, they have trouble convincing them that this could happen because some people are just so brainwashed that there's only, you know, go to the doctor and take my take my medicine.

[00:12:12] No, we don't really have a problem now, Tom, because we have so much overwhelming evidence and social proof from testimonials. You know, the only patent in the world, a third party study done by three medical physicians proving what we do works. So we got all the evidence in the world to prove what we do works. The biggest thing for this, as you know, is compliance because we know our program works, but it's getting people to actually follow it. It's like going to the gym and working out, guess what, that works. But you got to get your butt to the gym and work out, right?

[00:12:40] Yeah. And the a lot of gyms were closed over the past year. So can they do this at home?

[00:12:47] Oh, yeah. That's what's nice about this. So all the support they get from us is by phone or by email. They do not need to go to a physical location. And that's why we're expanding so rapidly now that our digital platform launched last year during the middle of covid, now we can literally reach any English speaking country, you know, any diabetics. That's over one hundred million diabetics right now that we actually have access to to help. Well, now it's a matter of us getting the word out with shows like yours, you know, on different TV shows and national marketing we're going to be doing just to really let you are trying to get a licensing deal with Weight Watchers. So there's lots of really big things happening with us to get this word out. Now that we have the patent and nobody else has that, it's really just putting gasoline on the fire right now. So that's the last thing, too. Before I forget, Tom is for people listen to this. We actually guarantee results. So we guarantee that when someone goes to our program and follows it as directed, if they're not off, they're all of their diabetic meds, they get one hundred percent a refund plus five hundred dollars just for trying our program. Well, that's how confident we are.

[00:13:49] Yeah. Really. So so tell us about the ACB doing this. Thirteen years. Tell us how the business you know, this is an entrepreneurial show so people would be interested in in how the business grew and transformed in the face of a pandemic and all that stuff. So what's the business model of this?

[00:14:08] Yeah, so when we started this back in twenty eight, I always had to prove the concept. It was literally my wife and I had a blank sheet of paper kind of creating this business. And so that's when I started doing seminars on the road and from twenty eight until twenty seventeen. So nine years I did over three hundred seminars all over the world proving our concept that we could predictably reverse type two diabetes at once. We had that done, which was the hard part,

[00:14:35] How to how to do in a seminar prove anything.

[00:14:38] I think because when we did the seminar we'd go to a city, we'd run some newspaper ads the week before I do a free seminar like on a Wednesday night and whatever, Topeka, Kansas, we get about 80 to one hundred people show up. I do like an hour presentation explaining our program and then they would actually have a consultation with me, the people that wanted to join the program the next day in the hotel. Oh, OK. I said, OK, fine, up between eight and 12 people per seminar and we sign them up. There and then all the support they got with our support doctors is by phone or email. I never had a location in those places. We did the seminars, right. Duplicated that over three hundred times all over the world, again, proving what we do work so we could actually get the results that we said we could get once we had that Tom. That's when we applied for a patent in May of twenty seventeen and we just got the patent approval September of last year. So it took us three years, four months to get the patent approved, jumping through all the hoops and everything else, because, you know, they don't give those things up,

[00:15:38] Like just my school took three years to get the license. Yeah.

[00:15:42] Yeah. So you got up. You got to be to prove that you do what you say you do. So so once we did that, then I of course, I said, OK, it's time for me to get off the road because I'm only one guy we can scale that worldwide with. I can only do one seminar per week. I can't clone myself. Unfortunately, I know you've had that issue too. You can. So that's why we said, OK, let's open up some clinics. So we opened up 17 clinics between January of twenty eighteen until October of two thousand nineteen. So basically, you know, less than two years you open up 17 clinics. It was crazy. Rapid growth, know. And then of course, what happened last year, covid hit. So we had to close down all those clinics because they were considered essential. So we went from about a million dollars a month in revenue, down to zero for about almost five months. But serendipitously, we had started the development of our digital platform back in January twenty nineteen. So that launched about August last year because of over a year and a half to get that digital platform because was a custom platform with an app, there was nothing else.

[00:16:47] I like it out in the market. So so luckily that launched last August and then the next month we got our patent. So all of a sudden in the depths of despair, like, oh my gosh, I'm going to go bankrupt, all of a sudden the digital platform launches. We got our content approval and then we're able to pivot to our digital platform. So and again, that was always the third phase Tom. We always want to do the seminars, then clinics and then digital platform, and then I get get acquired by somebody. So the covid kind of gave us a little bit of a road bump, their speed bump. So now we've kind of, you know what? We don't need to have the physical location. We can just do the virtual locations. And now we're just kind of launching that now. So that's kind of where that the whole 12 years, last 12 years have been. So it's been a crazy ride. But, yeah, we're excited now that we're just ready to rock and roll.

[00:17:32] Yeah. And that getting rid of those physical locations knocked out a load of overhead.

[00:17:37] Oh my gosh. Our overheads 90 percent less than it was. Right. It's up against us. There's a benefit obviously now of course because of covid our demographic, which tends to be the baby boomers there, there are a lot more open to doing virtual zoo meetings. Telemedicine has really expanded because of that. Right. Is helping our digital platform.

[00:17:59] Yeah. So so, folks, did you hear that? So from the brink of bankruptcy because of this crazy pandemic to pivot, that's going to be way better in the future. So I call it like temporary inconvenience, permanent improvement, because, you know, I got 90 percent year over year. So you got to mess up really bad to not make money like that. And plus, you're saving lives. How many people have been through the program?

[00:18:28] It's been over. Nine thousand have successfully gone. Wow.

[00:18:31] Nine thousand. Is there any any. There's probably loads of them. But is there any success stories that kind of stand out that somebody was on the brink of death and now they're great?

[00:18:43] Yeah, I mean, again, Tom is literally a fact. Yeah. And they're all pretty much the same. Right, because it's the major complications that diabetics face like gets blurred vision that leads to blindness, kidney damage leading to dialysis or a transplant. It's heart disease which leads to heart attack or stroke, neuropathy that leads to amputation and man Alzheimer's. I mean, all these things. So all the testimonials are similar. Like my vision came back, right. My kidneys are now healed. You know, my blood pressure is better. I'm off my blood pressure pills. Right. My neuropathies gone, my heds reverse. I mean, it's like it's just over and over and over, like the same thing just with different people, the same condition.

[00:19:24] Do they all lose weight?

[00:19:26] Well, that's the funny thing about this Tom, is that diabetes is not a fat or skinny disease. And the perfect example of that is you don't see a Weight Watchers Jenny Craig or Nutrisystem promoting their programs as a diabetes universal program. Because just losing weight isn't the solution. Now, if you're overweight and as a diabetic and you go through our program, you're going to lose weight. But that's just a side benefit. That's not the goal because there's millions of people that are overweight, that don't have diabetes, I say. And there's tons of like probably 40 percent of our patients don't need to lose more than five pounds or less. So and again, if people go through bariatric surgery, the lap bands and they drop like 80 to 100 pounds in like two or three days and guess what? They're still diabetic, you know. So it's not that's how is the body processing the blood sugar metabolically so you can be overweight, normal weight in between and still be a type two diabetic. So that's why we're not in the weight loss business. We're in the diabetes reversal business. So it's two different things.

[00:20:26] There are people who get getting kind of a shock of changing their diet, finding any difficulties there. Is that where you have to jump in and help a lot with support?

[00:20:37] Well, the cool thing is the way the reason why people can do our program everyday the rest of their life Tom is because, number one, it's not a diet, as I said. So we're not restricting their calorie intake. So people are never hungry on our part, OK? We give them a list of foods they can eat and list the foods to avoid as long as you're eating from the approved list to eat as much of that as they need to every day to stay satisfied so they don't overeat but don't eat that. So that's kind of hard getting people out of that diet mentality where they're always starving themselves on a diet. And of course, you can't sustain that for the rest of your life. That's a fat type of thing. Plus, we put them through a gentle cleanse and detox for 30 days with some nutritional supplements, which actually helps limit your cravings. So when you when it's not a diet, so they're hungry and you get rid of their cravings, guess what? People can do it every day the rest of their life. That's the point. That's why we have such a high success rate.

[00:21:29] I see. Now, just a sidebar here with what's your opinion on the keto craze?

[00:21:36] I mean, keto is OK, but again, that's not a diabetes universal program. It's fine for losing weight. But again, I see it's very difficult for people to stay with that for the rest of their life. But, yeah, as far as losing weight, yeah, it's it's a good program is way better than any kind of weight loss medications that are out there, that's for sure.

[00:21:54] I heard you talking about your wife and you sat down and we're laying out this program. So what role does she play?

[00:22:01] She's always been behind the scenes, you know, at times like she did all the H.R. and which you payroll and all that stuff, right. So now she be kind of transfer that to her daughter because she's kind of our executive assistant now for that. Right. And now, Tracy, she's kind of going back to her love, which is writing books. And so she should be she can be finishing a book here probably about two weeks, got about five more books that she's got her brain with outlines are ready to get that going, kind of more in the Christian kind of communities. But her her love is so with parenting and how to be a great mom and that kind of stuff. So that's kind of her love. So she's going to be focusing on that. And if you want, can I brag on Tiffany a bit?

[00:22:39] Yes, absolutely. But I do want to say, do you have a book coming out on this this diabetes review?

[00:22:45] Oh, yeah. I've already had a book published back in 2011. It's called Imagine Living Without Type Two Diabetes that's on Amazon. So people going to look at that. But obviously, if they want to learn how to reverse it, then we have a full comprehensive actually guarantee results with support. The yeah, I think they can go to reverseyourdiabetes.com to actually watch a free video training. OK, no obligation they can watch that kind of explains everything then if they if they want to join, they can set up a time with one of our consultants to actually join the program. There's training there. So it's reverseyourdiabetes.com. Got it.

[00:23:21] So it's a little girl is doing.

[00:23:24] Yeah. You're going to be happy to hear this. Her boyfriend of the last six months asked me for her hand in marriage two weeks ago. So looks like there's going to be a wedding coming up in the fall. Yeah. So that's going to be exciting. So expect an invitation for that. You're definitely part of the family. So anyway, so her and her boyfriend, they're actually starting their own software, which is interesting. This is again, this is totally dovetailing on the whole creating your own business. Right. You know, she obviously knows she's entrepreneurial. So we're actually going to dinner, the four of us. Now, here's the quick background. She's been working part time in the church that she goes to, and her boyfriend is a drummer in a worship band. Right. So they were basically they know the whole inner workings of how a church service works. And so if you go to church, they always have the worship. Right? They play about four or five songs. Everybody sings along. Right. And so they have the lyrics that are put up on the screen. You can sing along reading the lyrics. Right. So the biggest dog in the community for the lyric software is called Proposition. They've got about a 90 percent market share like worldwide. But the problem is it's very complicated. It's like a Infusionsoft contact management system. So you look at the average church Tom you got they got like 70 year old people that are like volunteers working their worship. They don't they can't work out a complicated software. Right. So they were getting calls from all these different churches asking for her and Connor, her boyfriend, to actually teach them how to use this presenter.

[00:24:57] So that's the background. So now we're driving to dinner one night and in the back seat like, hey, dad, we've got this great idea. We might want to actually create a training program that we can actually teach people how to run a presenter and sell it. I'm like, I looked at the rearview mirror. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, you're not doing that. You're going to build your own software. That's what you're going to do. And you're going to make it user friendly with big buttons that a seventy five year olds can work at really easily. Get rid of all the crap that's not necessary and sell it yourself. You're going to charge for people who already have purpose. Then you're going to you're going to give it to them for free. Right. And you're gonna charge them only nine point ninety nine cents a month for support where per person is about twenty five dollars a month. And so, guys, you get a thousand people sign this ten grand a month central and you just keep growing and growing, growing. So there's thirty five thousand churches just in Texas. You guys can go on a bus tour around Texas for like six months and sign up like four or five thousand churches. You're off to the races. So anyway, so that was about four months ago. Now they're literally about three weeks time away from the software being finished where they can actually start going out and selling it.

[00:26:01] So very exciting, beautiful, you know, but what I'm thinking is, is when they eventually have kids, it's just hard for me to picture you as a grand daddy. You never looked more than twenty eight years old and your whole life

[00:26:17] Is crazy, like, oh my gosh, our daughter, she turned twenty six yesterday was her birthday. And it's just blowing my mind, bro, that

[00:26:24] I know you go out with her, they think you're a couple or something. You so you know she's, she, she looks young to super. She looks and sounds so crazy.

[00:26:35] You go to Tracy's like the hottest fifty year I.

[00:26:38] Right. Exactly.

[00:26:39] Smoking. So yeah we're going to be the cool grandparents. So it's all good man. I'm excited for that. But I got to get through the wedding first. I got to make sure I'm not a blubbering fool. My eyes out at her wedding, my work. She's only a child, my only baby and. Oh my God.

[00:26:52] Oh boy. Oh, my goodness. All right. We got to take a brief sponsored break. When we come back, w what's a typical. They look like for him and how he stays motivated, but I kind of think saving a lot of lives is a good motivator. So, folks, about about 23 years ago, it kind of turned the Internet marketing guru world on its head in that people at my level were charging 50 or 100 thousand bucks up front. And Jeff and I both know these people that you give 50000 upfront, you'll never see him again. They'll be hiding out somewhere. So. So I said, yeah, it's it's too risky for people. So I said, I'm going to charge an entry fee and then tie my success to their success. So for me to get my fifty thousand you got to make and that. Two hundred thousand. Well people, people really like this and seventeen hundred students later and 23 years, it's still going strong. It's the longest running, most successful, most unique Internet marketing and digital marketing mentor program ever. I have no trouble saying that because I've dared people to put their program line for line up against mine and nobody will do it because I'm a fanatic, you know. So you have an immersion weekend after that pandemic, of course. And this is state home in Virginia Beach. We have our own TV studio. It's all one on one and nobody at my level even talk to you, let alone teach anything.

[00:28:13] So it's one on one with me and my entire staff. So you're not lumped in with people more advanced or less advanced than you. Then you get a scholarship to my school that you can either use for extra training or gift to someone. We had one guy spend 80000 bucks on a crappy education for his daughter. And I think they just teach you how to protest nowadays. And then she's, you know, the people who are graduating and competing for jobs at Starbucks. So she's working a crappy job. So he joined a mentor program, gifted the scholarship to her within six. Within four months, she was up to six thousand dollars a month as a side hustle, quit her crappy job and now has a full blown Internet marketing business, has even graduated. So. So this is very powerful stuff. So check that out at greatInternetmarketingtraining.com. Give me a call. I'm very accessible and we can talk about your future. And so maybe some loved ones. Future online.

[00:29:15] All right. Let's get back with Dr. Jeff. He is a the world's number one diabetes reversal doctor. And he's got a patent, a world wide I guess it's a worldwide pen. I don't know how patents work, but but there's nobody else doing this, what he's doing and saving lives. So. So, Jeff, what's a typical day look like for you nowadays?

[00:29:37] Yeah, right now, I'm not on the road as much as I used to Tom here to travel every week in a different city all over the world. So now I'm just focusing on growing the company with getting more licenses and joint venture partners on board, because I've just learned that there's so many companies with millions on their list and they're not monetizing that in the diabetes rehearsal space so they can actually become a distributor or a affiliate of ours and promote our services to their database, help their diabetics that are on their list, make some money on the side, helps us. It's kind of win, win, win. So that's really what my the majority of my days are focused on now, is just contacting influencers and larger companies and corporations to try and get them to become a licensee or an affiliate of ours. So it's pretty cool that way. We feel that's the best way to really expand scaling without us having to spend a million dollars a month on TV ads, we can get these joint venture partners where we only pay once the sale is made. They make money, we make money, the patient gets help. So it's yeah, that's kind of what my days are focused on now.

[00:30:47] Are you making a distinction between a licensee, an affiliate, or are you just using different terminology for the same thing?

[00:30:53] Well, yeah, kind of like licenses to be more of a doctor who's got like I said, you're better and it's got like a database of five, ten thousand patients. So but an affiliate with somebody who would not be any kind of a health care practice. So I say that's kind of a difference, but it's pretty much the same payment scale and the same concept where they promote to their list and they make a little bit money on every sale. So it's kind of a cool thing.

[00:31:17] So you're working from home? Mostly know. I mean, said we're having a beautiful family run. You probably it keeps you motivated, but so what's your main motivation? Is that saving people, making money? Both What is it?

[00:31:32] Yeah, it's it's both, obviously, you know, I'm definitely a capitalist and, you know, I know that Christian as well, so God blesses those who helps other people, I think. And so for me, it's like it was never about the money. I wanted to make a lot of money. I probably got into investment banking 30 years ago instead of the health care, especially wellness care, which is kind of the black sheep of health care, so to speak. At least it was. But yeah, my aunt I think, you know, this story, my aunt Lily died of diabetes complications. She was like thirty four years old. Tom left behind my two little cousins who were 10 and eight to be raised without their mom. So that's what planted that seed in my brain that I was only 18 when that happened. But that's a planted a seed like now I got to figure something out one day about how to reverse this disease because I just saw firsthand how brutal it was. So I was the initial motivation, of course, now, as you said, you know, doing this for almost 13 years, you know, one hundred hour weeks, but just getting those testimonials every day where we're like saving these people's lives.

[00:32:29] And it's like if they didn't meet us, they would just have a brutal ending to their life. Because diabetes is no joke, man. This thing kills you. It kills you in a really nasty way, like lopping off body parts, going blind, going on dialysis, heart attack, stroke me. It's frickin nasty. And so my job now is letting people know that, hey, you can reverse this thing, let us help you. So it just inspires me that we're doing something nobody else is doing. And it's kind of like we have the cure for cancer in a sense, but we just haven't let everybody in the world know yet. But now we got our patent and we got the digital platform. Now we're ready to just frickin rock and roll this thing Tom. That's why, again, doing shows like yours helped get the word out more. That's another part of my my day is doing podcast and TV interviews and that kind of thing as well. Just to get the word out on a larger scale.

[00:33:18] You have a show coming up, right?

[00:33:20] Yeah, I've actually started it and you're going to be a guest on this best of the best. So of course, we've got to have you on there. Yeah. So something I just kind of want to go back. It doesn't take much time, but it's a way for me to, again, get some influencers on the show, build a relationship with them, help them out. And I get to build a relationship which will hopefully lead to a affiliate relationship or JBI relationship like that. So, yeah, we've got three shows already in the can. We got four more we're doing next week. So we just kind of relaunched it. And of course, you know, my background in the TV stuff is we go way back on that back in the gosh.

[00:33:56] Yeah. The several infomercials with Jeff on public speaking and Internet marketing in my school, the three of them I think. Yeah, that was awesome. And that's that's kind of how Jeff went from being the new kid on the block when he first became a doctor to beating the pants off of everybody, right?

[00:34:15] Yeah. I mean, again, our TV show we did that launched us, like you said, and it just catapulted us to like we were the, you know, the expert doctor on TV and everybody wanted to come to us and a building for integrated wellness clinics that we sold back in twenty eight. So that's why we said, OK, we did that for my first eighteen years of my career. And I just said, you know what, I've reached kind of all my goals with that. So now let's what do we want to do the rest of our life? And that's we pivoted to just doing type two diabetes reversal. So it's been pretty exciting.

[00:34:46] This is awesome, man. Well, thanks for catching catching up with this. And so the reverseyourdiabetes.com, is that for only people that have diabetes or what if somebody wanted to be a licensee or an affiliate for is it still the same site or they have a different site?

[00:35:03] No, they want to be an affiliate. Then they can actually go to the affiliate sites. I just part them to text me Tom and I can send some information on that because it's a really simple agreement. OK, and you can just text me at 760-275-0465 if they want to get information, becoming an affiliate or drink and they do not have to be a doctor, they do not have to be anything like that.

[00:35:29] Right now, we're getting people that are just they just have a big list and that's loyal to them, different influencers. And they just want to kind of help out and. Yeah. And make some money on the side. So it's kind of a cool thing. So, yeah.

[00:35:41] All right. So 760-275-0465 to text if you are interested in being an affiliate or licensee and reverseyourdiabetes.com, if you have this affliction or know somebody that does and wants to see about it, spread the word around folks, because even if you don't have it, you probably know somebody that does. I mean, it's so pervasive that you could save somebody's life just by telling them about this site. So beautiful, beautiful thing you're doing, Jeff.

[00:36:14] Thanks, Tom.

[00:36:15] All right. So tell tell the family I said hi and I'm a little I'm actually a little hurt. The Tiffany, the boyfriend didn't ask me also for four, but, you know, hold that back. I don't want to be blubbering.

[00:36:31] Leaning up against a chair when he asked, well,

[00:36:34] Yeah, that's a that's. You know, I spent so much time in West Virginia that the joke is, is that the legislature is trying to decide this is a marriage legal with the shotgun wasn't registered.

[00:36:50] That's awesome.

[00:36:52] All right, man. So everybody check this out and let's let's save some lives in this world. It's the show doesn't normally save lives, but this is one that would the.

[00:37:01] Thanks, Jeff.

[00:37:03] Thanks, Tom.

[00:37:03] All right, everybody, we'll catch you on the next episode. See ya later.

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